Ep. 60: From Zodiac Stereotypes To Book Clubs And Family Lore (ft. Taylor Warrick & Peyton Warrick)

A cozy cousin hang turns into a full-hearted exploration of identity, books, and the rituals that keep family close. We kick off with a quick-fire round—text or call, hardwood or carpet, audiobook or podcast—then dive into star signs with a Pisces who owns her empathy and intuition, a Leo wrestling with leadership and creativity, a Libra chasing balance, and a Gemini reframing duality as clarity. It’s fun, honest, and unexpectedly revealing.

From there, we open the scrapbook. Grandparents’ colorful rooms. Pool days and Pop-Tarts in the toaster. Holiday hosting that taught us how community actually works. Those memories lead straight to the reading life: how we use book clubs to stay connected after school, why Goodreads and StoryGraph scratch different itches, and where library apps like Libby beat Spotify’s audiobook limits. We share the titles that hit hard at the right moment—Legendborn’s myth and power on a Southern campus, Sunburn’s breathtaking queer love in 90s Ireland, Wrong Place, Wrong Time’s time-loop thriller tension, plus joyful romances from Jasmine Guillory and emotional resets from Kennedy Ryan.

Film school insights jump in too—what makes directing humane, how stressful an AD’s job really is, and why adaptation saturation needs more original IP. Still, some adaptations are worth it when they expand the story with care. We also talk practicals: duology vs. seven-book epics, narrator make-or-break, and budget-friendly hauls from ThriftBooks. Underneath it all is a clear theme: stories help us turn the page. They give language to change, courage to choose ourselves, and a way to keep talking when life gets loud.

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Chapters

• 0:04 Welcome And Show Setup
• 0:45 Meet The Cousins
• 2:10 Rapid-Fire This Or That
• 6:02 Zodiac Deep Dive: Pisces And Leo
• 12:52 Creativity, Film School, And Leading Under Pressure
• 17:12 Libra And Gemini Traits And Cusp Talk
• 22:10 Growing Up Together And Family Traditions
• 31:10 Holidays, Change, And Staying Close
• 38:45 Book Clubs, Goodreads, And Reading Goals
• 44:30 Favorite Reads: Romance, Thrillers, And Identity
• 52:10 Fantasy Gateways And Adaptations
• 1:02:00 Audiobooks, Libraries, And Apps That Help
• 1:09:20 TV Binge Memories, Weather, And Life Updates
• 1:16:20 Broadway Plans And Adaptation Ethics
• 1:22:40 More Recs: StoryGraph, ThriftBooks, And Newsletters
• 1:27:56 Goodbyes, Next Episodes, And Listener Reminders

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:04

Welcome to Turn the Page Podcast. Sisters, best friends, and brunch enthusiasts. With relatable episodes that feel like you're chatting with two of your closest friends or sisters. Join us as we turn the page to different topics about losing yourself in motherhood, adulthood, anyhood. And finding yourself again through meaningful friendships, shameless piles of unread library books, and endless Amazon package deliveries. Real, honest, and a little bit chaotic. We talk about it all. So grab your favorite drink, put the kids to bed, lace up your sneaks or whatever you need to do, and join us. We can't wait to connect with you. Hi guys, welcome to Turn the Page Podcast. I'm your co-host, Tawana Page. I'm your other co-host, Sheree Page Barber. And we have very special guests today. We have two of our cousins. We have Taylor and Peyton. Yay! Welcome, guys.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04

Thank you for having us. Of course. This is gonna be this is interesting to see it on the other side. I have told them before that I am an avid listener.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14

Yeah, we love you for that. Thank you. We love you for being our cousin and also love you for the support. I remember you said it's like your way of feeling like you're catching up with us.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24

Yes, catching up with you guys. And also cracking up while listening to it and trying to jump into the conversation, but you can't hear me.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32

Can't hear you. Now guys, that's what we're talking about. We had your oldest sister Blair on. I think it was the day of my um birthday celebration. We did a birthday recording, how fitting. But I was like, we need to have all three of them on. But yes, listeners, we are cousins, first cousins. Their mom and our dad are brother and sister. And we grew up together. I mean, literally. Like down the street, which is kind of um literally down the street. It was the best. We had the best time. So we will get into that. We're gonna do a few this or that. Okay. Okay. Phone call or text.

SPEAKER_02: 2:16

It depends. Yeah, I was gonna say it depends, but I'll say text generally. Yeah, text. Or or uh FaceTime to throw in a third option. That's fair.

SPEAKER_04: 2:28

Sure.

SPEAKER_03: 2:29

Um usually text I would prefer FaceTime over phone, I think.

SPEAKER_04: 2:34

Okay. Yeah. But text first.

SPEAKER_03: 2:37

I like text.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40

Phone, I like to be warned that I'm gonna be called. Yeah. Me either. Okay. Online shopping or in-store? Again, it depends. Really? For me, certain stores, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:58

But Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 3:00

If it's like closed and I want to try it on, obviously in the store, but if it's products that I've already gotten from like Sephora or something, I would do it online because I don't want to be bombarded with everyone in there.

SPEAKER_04: 3:12

No, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02: 3:13

Because it's like store-to-yeah, it is a lot, but I like to be able to to try on everything. Like obviously it it's easier to shop online if it's a store that I shop at regularly, but then I have to work hard to not build up that habit of shopping online. So obviously it's so easy. So I prefer to just go and it's easy.

SPEAKER_03: 3:35

It is a problem. I'm online just for ease and convenience at this stage of my life.

SPEAKER_02: 3:40

I actually just bought some. But Taylor. Like an hour ago.

SPEAKER_03: 3:45

Taylor, I have a question. You said if it's well both of you actually, Taylor and Peyton, if it's clothes that you've purchased before and you've already tried them on, like in person, would you feel comfortable buying them online? Like if you already know what it is, or do you still need to try it on?

SPEAKER_01: 3:59

I'll do online. The less I have to interact with human beings.

SPEAKER_03: 4:04

Yeah, is kind of the easiest. That's the route.

SPEAKER_01: 4:08

Correct.

SPEAKER_03: 4:09

Okay. I would do online too. What about you, Peyton? Online. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 4:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 4:13

Um, okay, well, we grew up with one of these, but carpet or hardwood.

SPEAKER_04: 4:20

Carpet. Really? I like hardwood, although I grew up with carpet. Carpet is just comfortable for me.

SPEAKER_01: 4:27

I like to lay on the ground. And I still remember being so upset that our family room was changed to hardwood from the carpet.

SPEAKER_03: 4:36

And it it upsets me to this day because I can't lay on the ground and be comfortable like I was before. Well, now now we got a rug for Baxter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 4:46

So it's big enough for all of us. Baxter art dog.

SPEAKER_01: 4:49

Yeah, dog.

SPEAKER_03: 4:50

True.

SPEAKER_01: 4:50

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 4:52

I like carpet. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 4:55

Even though hardwood looks better in some places.

SPEAKER_03: 4:58

It does. Aesthetically, I like hardwood. But what was yours? Aesthetically.

SPEAKER_02: 5:06

Yeah. I think that like hardwood looks better most of the time. Um, but then for comfort, I'd say carpet.

SPEAKER_04: 5:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 5:16

I think I'm in hardwood just because our old place, the carpet was such a light color, so it showed like all the dirt and just like it looked terrible.

SPEAKER_04: 5:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 5:27

Hardwood feels easier to clean, and it makes me think about Daisy's burgundy carpet from back in the day. Like, oh yeah. She did that for a reason that was very smart. So yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay, we'll do one more.

SPEAKER_04: 5:42

Audiobook or podcast? Podcast? Audiobook. I'm off the podcast train right now. A little bit on both, but I won't. She says on her podcast. Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. Exactly. I know. How meta.

SPEAKER_03: 5:59

Okay. So we're done the this event. Um, we did an episode earlier about the different signs. So Shere's a Gemini, I'm a Libra. So Taylor and Peyton, you two can go and let us know. And let us know if you align or disalign with what the traits are for each of your signs. And I think I know what they are based on your birthdays and being obsessed with you, but go ahead, tell the listeners. Wait, also, can I just add, like, if you know people that are your sign of the other month? Yes. And if you feel like there's differences. Well, there's one living in their house for Taylor, but yeah. Yeah, that's true. There's two, but yes.

SPEAKER_04: 6:38

Well, you're right. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 6:40

I don't know when two answer ends. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, that'd be RJ. So go ahead and wanna go. Go ahead, ladies. You can go. Oh, I wanted you to go first.

SPEAKER_02: 6:48

Okay. Well, I'm Payton and I'm a I'm a Pisces. I do believe that I I don't know too much about the horoscopes and all in astrology, but I'm a water sign. I know that stereotypically we're like very in tune with our emotions and emotional and tend to be on the more creative side. And like those definitely align with my personality and just how I am. I don't know too much about like comparing other Pisces that are born in a in a different month. I was born in March, but I will say that Pisces get a really bad rep. But the thing is, when you almost every time you ask someone about like their negative interactions with the Pisces, it's about a man. So I just want to put on the record that Pisces men, like let's shift them into that specific compartment where they're getting like they're spreading all that negativity, all that, you know. Hardly, if ever, hear about a woman, non-binary person, anything. Pisces. Taylor looked this up for me. She said that, or is saying online that deep empathy is also associated with Pisces. I I agree with that. Oh, and intuition as well. I feel like that's maybe that's like confirmation bias, but sure, I feel like sometimes my intuition is strong.

SPEAKER_03: 8:11

From knowing you since you were a babe, a little one. I could say that you have felt all your feelings since you were little.

SPEAKER_04: 8:19

Definitely. I guess it's not her. Sure, go for it. Sure. Go ahead, Tails. Oh, sorry, were you not done? No, I am. Okay. So I am a Leo. You are? I am a Leo. I'm an August Leo. August 1st.

SPEAKER_03: 8:39

My mom's a July Leo. July 31st. Um we could have had the same birthday.

SPEAKER_04: 8:45

I actually am five weeks early. I was supposed to be born in September. But you're also supposed to be born in April. We kicked out early. We said, get us out of here.

SPEAKER_03: 8:59

Wait, isn't your dad a Leo? He's the July. He's July 22nd. It's cancer or Leo. We don't know. Because RJ's the 21st, so he's a cusp baby like Shri the 21st. You look it up, it says both signs for that date. I guess it depends what website you look on.

SPEAKER_04: 9:20

Yeah. This is saying the 22nd. He might be a cancer. I don't know. Yeah. We don't know. So yes, me and my mother. Well, we're yes, Leo, a fire sign.

SPEAKER_01: 9:34

I actually have every fire sign on my chart. And I think I have every one.

SPEAKER_04: 9:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 9:43

And but I only have some traits for Leo's I I don't think I possessed mainly being like a natural leader. I don't see that in myself. I literally have to try to do it. Like it's not a it doesn't come, it just just doesn't come naturally. Yeah. Well, I do, yeah. I had to push myself. There was I was in film school and for one of the projects, I worked on a short film and I was the first A D, and basically I was in charge of the whole thing, and it was only a one-day shoot. But it's known that ADs are very stressed and they're very, very stressed. Have you heard about the A D who actually collapsed and died on the set of Emily in Paris? People have were like, no, they were an AD, so it kind of like makes sense.

SPEAKER_04: 10:31

Oh my gosh. Yeah, a lot of ADs quit.

SPEAKER_03: 10:37

And we're back, guys. We had some technical difficulties, but it's okay. We are. Okay, so Taylor, the last thing you're talking about was the job of an A D is very stressful.

SPEAKER_01: 10:50

It is, yes. So yeah, I was I was mentioning the show Emily and Paris, somebody like collapsed on set and died and they read an A D and like people in the industry were like, oh yeah, like that's not surprising because it's very Wow. It's very stressful. I did it once and I don't want to do it again. I don't. It was only one day too. It was just a one-day shoot and it was very it was a lot. But I was still taking classes, so it was Yeah. Still there's just a lot that needs to be done. So I guess I have to push myself to lead. What else? Leos are very confident. Maybe I was when I was younger.

SPEAKER_03: 11:28

I was very sassy girl. I remember. Yeah. What else is what else is it? Leo's like like passionate, self-absorbed.

SPEAKER_01: 11:39

I've seen ego for Leo.

SPEAKER_03: 11:42

Do Leos also get a bad rep? Because I feel like I know Peyton you said Pisces.

SPEAKER_01: 11:48

I think so, but we're we're loud and proud and we don't care.

SPEAKER_03: 11:51

Yeah, I mean I I I love a Leo. I love a fire sign.

SPEAKER_02: 11:54

So my other fire Leo traits I looked up a little bit vain. A little bit vain. A little bit vain.

SPEAKER_03: 12:01

I don't know. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 12:02

Really big personality, wants to stand out, interested in luxury, exubes exudes warmth and creativity.

SPEAKER_03: 12:11

I was gonna yeah, I was gonna ask about creativity and communication for both of yours.

SPEAKER_01: 12:16

True.

SPEAKER_03: 12:16

Because I was I want to do it for journalism and for screenwriting. Talk about creative.

SPEAKER_04: 12:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 12:23

Yeah, I did the journalism thing and I was like, I I will stick to the writing, but do it in a different way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 12:32

And that has been cool trying to figure out other things I think I want to direct and produce as well. So that'll be cool. I love, I just have to say I love Nia Da Costa. I just have to say it.

unknown: 12:44

Who?

SPEAKER_01: 12:45

Who? Oh my gosh. I forgot you guys aren't like you don't know film.

SPEAKER_03: 12:50

No. But it's okay. So Nia DaCosta, she actually she's a writer-director. Okay. The film that she just released is called HEDA, based off the play HEDA Gabler.

SPEAKER_01: 13:03

Tessa Thompson's in it. She did the Marvels for the MCU. She did Candyman, the Jordan Peele one.

SPEAKER_03: 13:10

She wrote and directed it? She directed Candyman. I don't know if she co-wrote. She wrote and directed The Marvels. She wrote and directed HEDA. She also wrote and directed Littlewoods, her first film with Tessa.

SPEAKER_01: 13:22

So um and Tessa had a cameo in the Marvels. So this is basically their third film together. And now she has a new film coming out that she directed, the new 28 years later movie.

SPEAKER_03: 13:33

Oh, I just saw the preview for that. Okay. Yeah. Nice. I'm so proud of you guys. This is so exciting. Yes, yes. I mean, the industry is in a terrible place right now. I know, I know. But um it's still fun. Of course. Yes, I love that. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's talk about books since now I'm looking at the at Peyton's bookshelf. But we're not gonna talk about your signs because you guys already talked about them before. Sure. I am a Libra, and as I like to say, I'm a full Libra in and out, upside down every witch away. We are what are we? I mean, we're me. I've heard that the only thing I've heard about Libra is that is that they're indecisive. I am very, very indecisive. And we like balance, so Libra is the only inanimate object, like the pictures for the horoscopes, because it's scales. So it's like we like balance, and sometimes we put our feelings and need to side to make sure that everything is balanced. Like it'll come at our cost. What else? It says it's loyal, passionate, like I love hard. I can't think of anything else. I just feel like I exude Libra.

SPEAKER_01: 14:46

I always heard I mean, I don't Libra's just seem chill.

SPEAKER_03: 14:52

Well, internally I'm not outwardly, yeah. Let me say, I I don't think I know in Libra that thank you so much, Tails. Thank you so much. And then I'm Libra Libra, and then I'm your oldest sister's side Scorpio for my own. What I've learned that in our charts, because Peyton is a Pisces Blair Scorpio, I don't have any of those signs. Any of the water signs?

SPEAKER_01: 15:20

I what are the water signs?

SPEAKER_03: 15:22

Pisces, cancer, and Scorpio, I think. Is Scorpio the other one?

SPEAKER_01: 15:26

Well, I have Cancer.

SPEAKER_03: 15:28

Oh then yeah, you have water sign. I thought you said you were fire, fire, fire.

SPEAKER_01: 15:32

I'm s well, I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 15:34

I'm just no, I'm not challenging you. My big three isn't all fire. Gotta gotta get it. But I do have other fire signs. Sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 15:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 15:44

In in my chart. Meaning so I actually am a Sagittarius rising.

SPEAKER_04: 15:49

Lava Sage.

SPEAKER_03: 15:51

But I do have I have Aries in one in in another planet. Another planet. Not on Earth. No, you know how have you seen your chart before? I have, but I don't really fully like one of my coworkers got me into this and she like did my reading. That's how I know I'm Libra Libra Scorpio. But I didn't know there were different planets that you can exist on. Yeah. Like your Mars is in something and then. Oh, is that getting like the 12 houses and all that stuff too? In the houses, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 16:22

So oh Sheree did explain this a bit to me one time. I think when I was when I was setting up my CoStar app.

SPEAKER_03: 16:29

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 16:30

They were just talking about Coastar.

SPEAKER_03: 16:31

It's all in there, yeah. Yeah. I try Chani or Chani. I don't like it. I still use it. I use CoStar because both. Chani, I mean, I know that you said it it tells you you're what rising. So it throws me off. Yeah, because when I go on, it tells me Libra. And I don't resonate with it as much as I do with CoStar, and CoStar tells me my son. So and CoStar gives me the notification. So I'm like, oh yeah, let me read that for the day. And it is like always on point.

SPEAKER_01: 17:02

I haven't given notification from Johnny.

SPEAKER_03: 17:03

I just haven't turned it on. Yeah. Yeah. But Sure, you talk about your sign. Yeah, you're Gemini. I'm Gemini Libra Libra. So I'm full air, at least in the big three. Communicative when I want to be, not when I don't. I like the reframe that I found when we did it of like duality as opposed to two-faced, because I don't think I don't think two-faced is a fair assessment. So dual and kind of just matching people's energy. I don't remember the rest off the top of my head. I think creativity is in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_01: 17:36

Of course. Can we talk about how I remember you telling me that you were a Taurus?

SPEAKER_03: 17:43

I didn't tell you I was a Taurus. I said I read both. So yes, let's talk about it. Because I still do read both. Because I'm on the cusp and I remember reading like 17 magazine or something, and it would say Taurus ended on May 22nd. So I would read both. I still do.

SPEAKER_01: 18:02

Let's talk about. Because when it was recently, I recently found out that you were a Gemini, and I was so confused. Obviously, I could figure this out myself, but I could have sworn you told me you were a Taurus, so I didn't look it up. And then you said you were a Gemini, and I don't know why that did something to me. Because Geminis also get a bad rap. You're both. Yeah. See, now I understand you as a Leo. We need to stick together.

SPEAKER_03: 18:30

I agree. I I don't know. There's like something about the connection of the different elements, but I feel like fire and air tend to go pretty well together. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 18:40

What are the other air signs?

SPEAKER_03: 18:41

Air, it's Libra, Gemini, and Aquarius, I believe. Aquarius is the other one.

SPEAKER_01: 18:47

And I have them all.

SPEAKER_03: 18:48

The sign I have the most though in my char is Virgo. Interesting. Well that's right after you, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 18:57

The only thing I know about Virgos is that they're very good at like planning.

unknown: 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 19:03

And uh yeah, being like regimented, I guess.

SPEAKER_01: 19:06

Like perfectionists. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 19:10

So we have sorry. Air, water, fire. We don't have an earth. What's that? Earth is Taurus. We have two airs, fire and water. We don't have earth. No. Earth, I think Capricorn, Taurus, and maybe Virgo is.

SPEAKER_01: 19:30

I think Virgo is Earth.

SPEAKER_04: 19:32

Interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 19:34

Okay. Because it has my notes.

SPEAKER_04: 19:37

Yes. So books. Let me see.

SPEAKER_03: 19:40

Wait, can we back up? Your books? Can we talk about like growing up together? Wait, no. Did you just quote a movie?

SPEAKER_02: 19:52

Yeah, I quoted she's the man. I guess like Blair and Taylor usually know what I'm talking about when I say that.

SPEAKER_03: 19:57

I was gonna say it sounds familiar, but it wasn't clicking in my brain. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:01

Because you laughed a little bit on the show.

SPEAKER_03: 20:02

Sebastian. But because I like, yeah, my brain was like, oh yeah, lol. Wait, Taylor, is that Poland Spring? Where? Absolutely. I love it. So let's talk about growing up together and being related. So, as I said, we are first cousins. Shere and Twan are sisters, and Blair, who's not on right now, Taylor and Peyton are sisters, and we're all cousins. And I mean, it's a blast. We're stuck with each with each other for life. I'm obsessed with you and your sister and everybody on this call. We had fun times growing up. We used to go to our grandparents' house all the time. I always think about their themed dinners. Like themed as in the week. I am not significantly. I'm the oldest out of everyone on this call. I have two older cousins. I was like, you guys have more than older cousins, but I have two specifically older cousins. There's ten of us, I'm number three. Sure, what number are you? Okay. Taylor Peyton.

SPEAKER_01: 20:55

So I'd be nine and Peyton's ten. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 20:57

Yeah. Then yeah, I'm thinking I'm seven. Okay, yeah. So there's ten of us all together, which is pretty cool. Because people who didn't grow up with a lot of cousins are like, wow, that's so many cousins, but it's like that's what we're used to.

SPEAKER_01: 21:10

Yeah. It was so funny. And in terms of the cousins, we were closer in proximity. Like you guys were true too. That's true.

SPEAKER_03: 21:17

Very short car ride away. And that's a flair. Or Sheree and Blair walk. A quick job. Yeah. Go to each other's houses all the time, and our family specifically had majority girls, seven girls. Like cousins. And I broke the spell and have two boys. Yes. But it was really fun. Like we would be at your house all the time for holidays, parties, because you guys are um, not you guys, but Taylor's a summer baby, so we would have like summer birthday parties, and then I don't know, you guys are always at our house having sleepovers and making it.

SPEAKER_01: 21:55

I still remember sleeping over your house, and I was with Cherie because I wanted to go with you guys to drive down to Tawana's graduation in the flight. Yeah. And then I learned that you can put Cherie showed me that you can put a Pop Tart in the toaster. Uh-huh. This morning's one.

SPEAKER_03: 22:17

Because I never thought about it. And she did that and it truly blew my mind. And then we watched Salad Fingers. Yeah, because I think we tried to stay up so that we would just like sleep in the car. So we were just like up all night. Did that really change your life, Taylor? Putting a Pop Tart in the toaster? Yeah, because it never crossed my mind to do that. Like I didn't know that people did that. And it was it was was it the s'mores kind? Mm-hmm. So it made sense. So good. I forgot that you drove down with them, Taylor. I was I just wanted to get that. I was like, what is this car ride gonna be like? I don't even remember. I don't know if I think I just left, to be honest. I think so too, yeah. Same. That was back when we had like the portable DVD players, so we might have watched a movie. But yeah. Yeah. And uh I just remember so many random things about you guys. I used to quiz you guys on your birthdays.

SPEAKER_04: 23:12

Really? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03: 23:14

Well, yeah, you were younger. I taught you guys your birthday. I mean, obviously your parents had a stake in it too. But I used to ask you your birthdays all the time to so you guys could learn 'em. And I'd always ask you how old you are. You would always ask me how old I was, and I'm like, Taylor, I'm starting to get offended the older I got.

SPEAKER_02: 23:32

I was just saying that like Tawana is just perpetually like the same age in my mind, but now I'm starting to get close to that age, and it's really just adjusting things for me, like I remember when you Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 23:46

When I would ask you and you say, I think I would ask you if you were 30 or something like that. But every year I would ask if it was the same number, it was always 30, and obviously that can't be true. Um, and it had to change. And now that I'm 28 That's another thing.

SPEAKER_03: 24:04

I remember when you guys were in the diaper like this.

SPEAKER_02: 24:07

Like Swanna's favorite line. Yeah. I used to change their diapers whenever other people are around.

SPEAKER_03: 24:14

I mean it as just crazy. Like literally, you guys are like my babies. How were we as children? I mean, uh you were fine, you were kids. Yeah. Like I just hung out with you guys all the time at the time. I just like I just like enter I think the adults appreciate because I entertained you guys. Gotcha. And like you just always wanted to be around me, and then but you took care of us as infants? Yeah. Well, not you, Taylor. I was a little bit younger, but Peyton, for sure. For sure. And Nanny and Papa's house. Whenever you wake up for a nap, I would hear you on the baby monitor and I would go upstairs and get you.

unknown: 24:50

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03: 24:51

Or there were times when like Peyton and you were too young to go on vacation. So you would stay with Nanny and Papa, and I would sleep over with you, and we would sleep in the bed with Nanny and Papa. Or in your mom's old room, like me and you would sleep entirely.

SPEAKER_02: 25:06

Oh, I loved her old room because she has a canopy. Oh my gosh, I love that room. It's so nice. Imagine going up with the room like that.

SPEAKER_03: 25:14

Like I love stuff creepy. And he had a vanity and everything. Yes, I missed their house. And I love that nanny and papa kept them still the same color. I was gonna say, I think it was pink. It was pink. Like yellow. Or was that daddy's room? Daddy's room was that. I think Uncle Daryl's room was like a brown.

SPEAKER_01: 25:36

And I don't know why, but I never like at your house in tomorrow. I never went into like going into your parents' room seemed forbidden. Like same with really to sleep in there.

SPEAKER_03: 25:47

Like I'm not sure. Well, no, because I've been in their parents', I've slept in their parents' room. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I we would just always keep the door closed. And I do that now too. I'm like, just throw all the mess in like our bedroom and close the door and it's fine. I do remember. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 26:05

And your acoustic guitar. Yes. Your dream your dream catchers.

SPEAKER_03: 26:10

Yes. But nanny and going up to Tawana's room. I know. Pepto pink. Yours was pink, right? My Pepto pink. But let's talk about how Nanny and Papa's house, every room was like a different color. Yeah. Like their room was blue. Mm-hmm. It was very soothing. I loved sleeping in there. I know, me too. I used to love sleeping in Nanny and Papa's room too.

SPEAKER_01: 26:31

I slept in there a couple times. I feel like, but I think I always just wanted to sleep in my own bed. Yeah, me too. That's what I mean. Even though I did like sleeping in there, they were pretty they were chill.

SPEAKER_03: 26:42

I mean, they were awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 26:44

Yeah. You know your grandparents just to you.

SPEAKER_03: 26:46

I do remember sometimes being there like over the weekend and then making breakfast.

SPEAKER_01: 26:51

Uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 26:54

Grits. Yes. And the eggs.

SPEAKER_01: 26:56

I don't remember the grits.

SPEAKER_03: 26:57

I think I'm the I'm I think I because I haven't had grits in a while, but I think I'm the one I do sugar. Yeah, I do butter. That's your mom. Salt. I got that from your mom. It was mother. But that makes sense. Ugh. I just miss it. I miss Papa's oven baked chicken. Remember their oven on the wall? Yeah. Uh they had the baked. Did they have that under the stove or no? I think they did. Yeah, I think it was when you walked into the kitchen like right to the left.

SPEAKER_01: 27:27

Yeah. You're right. Okay. Because I didn't know if it was just on the wall or they had both. No, they had both.

SPEAKER_03: 27:32

I think it was separate.

SPEAKER_01: 27:34

Yeah. Twani, do you know what I remember from your room?

SPEAKER_03: 27:37

What? Or what I can always remember. So I have this scar on my arm. And there was do you remember what I'm you know what I'm gonna say? No. I'm just laughing. Because I don't know what it was. But there was a box that I was gonna throw into like a closet.

SPEAKER_01: 27:50

And I threw it in and the bottom scraped my arm. And I'm just gonna like, are you okay?

SPEAKER_03: 27:58

I'm like, yeah, I think so. And then it just started bleeding.

unknown: 28:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 28:02

And actually, you can't even really see it now, but it used to be like this big scar that went down my so funny. No, that was the storage plug.

unknown: 28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 28:13

Well, I remember swimming to your house. It's like, I don't know. We've said so many great memories, and I always say we were like, we're the lucky ones because we just grew up together. We have so many memories.

unknown: 28:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 28:23

D well, now I've gotten used to us not spending Christmases together. I know. Like when we were making that transition, that was just really, really hard. It was hard. And honestly, just like a a lot of people moving away and going from having such a big Christmas, but also having such big like celebrations and parties at the house in general. Um but then transitioning to not doing that as much anymore, which makes sense. Like people are getting older and moving away, like I was saying. But it also made me really grateful, like you were saying, Tawana, just being around like so many loved ones. I mean, especially like at at home too, but just having so many places to convene with everyone. Obviously, not everyone gets that, and it was like I wasn't even aware that that's you know, like something to be grateful of in the moment. Like you don't just realize it until after, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 29:15

Because that's all we know. Yeah. Which I'm like, I'm happy. Like that's what we knew because some people like only see their cousins like on holidays and they have to travel. Like my cousins lived five minutes around the corner from I saw them all the time.

SPEAKER_01: 29:26

Yeah. Um it is crazy because there used to be so many people that would come over for Christmas because we host it. And now sometimes it was only just our aunt coming over. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 29:37

Um, which is so crazy that our parents were doing that regularly. I mean, just like parents in general, like them waking up making breakfast.

SPEAKER_01: 29:46

But we still made the same amount of food, to be honest. That's crazy. The amount of food we made, I'm just like, you'd think we'd be hosting dozens.

SPEAKER_03: 29:54

Yeah, I just love how you guys grew up in like a hosting house. Like you're just used to having people over, and even when you guys were younger. And then for Thanksgiving, you guys would come to our house for dessert because you had Thanksgiving, and we would like stay there and play games, but it was like we always knew you guys were coming after dinner.

SPEAKER_02: 30:12

Like scatteries and taboo. We mentioned that last night. Both of those.

SPEAKER_03: 30:16

We had the games ready. I love scatteries. It's so good. That was such a good time. But yeah, growing up, we had like the best holidays and stuff together, and then after our parents' divorce, mine and Cherie's parents divorced, it was like sad because obviously like they weren't together anymore, and we had like we already moved out, and we're like, oh, we're not gonna have Christmas with our cousins. And like it like hit us, and I was like, Oh you know what's so crazy? Because when your parents got divorced, I said, excuse me. Because I I mean, obviously, you guys are the children, those are your parents. Right. I was at I was just in college, you know, doing my thing, you know, being stressed with the ball, everything.

SPEAKER_01: 31:00

And then all of a sudden I got a text from Blair or somebody. And I said, and all I got some details and I said, you know, let me keep my mouth shut.

SPEAKER_03: 31:08

I I No, this can't be right.

SPEAKER_01: 31:11

I just keep it shut. I just keep it shut.

SPEAKER_03: 31:15

But that was so interesting to me. It took me out of like uh because you know how like you have just a routine every day that you're just going, going, going, and then you hear this, they said, Excuse me.

SPEAKER_01: 31:25

So that was that's a w it's an it's an interesting um obviously if something that was a regular day thing in your childhood that now is different. Just like when I was in high school here and you guys were gone. Yeah, you know, so that we weren't going over our grandparents' house anymore.

unknown: 31:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:48

What I never told you was so craz one time I I had um I had to take the after school bus.

SPEAKER_03: 31:55

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_01: 31:57

And I didn't I think I said the wrong neighborhood, and so it didn't stop at my neighborhood, but it did stop at yours. So I got off.

SPEAKER_03: 32:08

And I walked to the door and I rang the doorbell, and your mom was like, Well, good thing I'm home. Yeah, I just I didn't get out about the right stop, or I didn't tell the bush driver the right stop. And I knew they were gonna stop here, so I got off.

SPEAKER_01: 32:22

And so I spent some time with your mother.

SPEAKER_03: 32:24

That's so cute.

SPEAKER_04: 32:25

She goes, Well, good thing I'm home.

SPEAKER_03: 32:27

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04: 32:28

You're like Aunt Daisy. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03: 32:32

And I also love that like we all feel so comfortable where it's like, if you didn't feel comfortable with my mom, you wouldn't have like knocked on our door.

SPEAKER_04: 32:41

You're like, I just went with it.

SPEAKER_01: 32:43

I let's see what I'm doing. Looking. That looks familiar. So I'll just get off there. And I'm like, hey. She's like, Does your dad know you're here? I'm like, no. And so you know, I had to tell him that. And he's like, What are you doing? Gosh. Making a quick pit stop. And we'd always go to your neighborhood park and the swim pool.

SPEAKER_03: 33:11

That's where I went to swim. Yeah, we you guys got the we got the ankle bands.

SPEAKER_01: 33:19

Because they make you tread water. No, Blair and I were doing a um game of who could hold the breath the longest, and I didn't want to lose, and I literally stayed under there until she went up, and I thought I was gonna pass and like pass out. I s I really couldn't hold it much longer.

SPEAKER_03: 33:35

That feels very Leo of you.

SPEAKER_01: 33:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 33:40

I will win even if I die.

SPEAKER_01: 33:42

Competitive.

SPEAKER_03: 33:43

Yeah. I feel like Blair also almost died in that pool.

SPEAKER_02: 33:47

So yeah, that is um didn't I think Aunt Daisy got her?

SPEAKER_03: 33:51

No, the lifeguard did, but she yelled. She was like, get her. Like she can't just get her. She's under the water. I can hear your mother saying it right now. Yes. Getting off the the white and blue chair. Like, can you do something? Fully clothed. God, that too. Oh my gosh, I love it so much. And this one story I remember when we were living at the apartment down here, and Blair came down for like Super Bowl or something, and she literally was just like walking out of your front door, and your dad was like, Where are you going? And she was like, Do seeds want in Shrey? Like, what? As if it was just like a regular thing all the way in Maryland. She was just he was like, Okay, bye. But he was just like, he was just like, no one ever tells me anything around here.

SPEAKER_01: 34:38

That is still true.

SPEAKER_03: 34:40

Yeah. I feel like I've heard that recently.

SPEAKER_01: 34:43

Today still, it's still true.

SPEAKER_03: 34:45

So funny. I love it. But yes, can we pivot and talk about books? Because Peyton, I'm loving your beautiful bookshelf behind behind you guys.

SPEAKER_02: 34:55

Thank you. Yeah, I built this up over the years. But I recently joined a book club that a friend started about a year and a half ago because we were all a bunch of people were either getting ready to graduate or had already just graduated. And she sent out a message to to just a bunch of people asking if they wanted to create a club so that we could stay in contact, you know, after we graduate, like once people move, all that kind of stuff. And so it was hard to find a core group of people because not everyone was being consistent. But it finally narrowed down to four of us. And we've been going strong. It's supposed to be monthly, but now we're all working. It's more like, you know, every other month, quarterly, whenever we can get a meeting in. Yeah. I mean, it's been really, really good in getting me to actually read books again. Like that's around the time when I downloaded Goodreads. Like I'm reading the most I've read since I mean before middle school, probably like elementary school. Like I I met my book goal of two books a year. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 35:59

Yeah. So that's really exciting. And the year's not even over, so you still have time to like achieve your own. I'm trying to get some more in. Wait, Sheree, did you read The Madwife? Or is that our January book club pick? Okay. Yes, so report back.

SPEAKER_02: 36:16

I was saying that I saw that either Shri marked it as wanted to read or currently read something on Goodreads, and so I was texting her because I just started it. And I'm glad that you guys are still doing it because like I have opinions about it. I don't love the way I can't wait to talk about it. Like finished, but yeah, I think it sparks really important conversations. Um like especially with feminism and like the shift into conservatism with like the rise in I guess the popularity of trad wife culture and people wanting to like like the allure of being a housewife increasing again. Yeah. And like analyzing the dangers that can come with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 36:59

It sounded good, so we'll see. I've been seeing the mixed reviews on Goodreads though, so I don't think you're I think you're in good company. I don't think it's a solid, like everybody loved it.

SPEAKER_01: 37:09

So is Goodreads like a book version of Letterboxd?

SPEAKER_03: 37:13

Who? Letterbox maybe.

SPEAKER_01: 37:15

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03: 37:16

Guys, girl, you know I'm behind the tiles. I've always been Letterboxd is where you ask me. You can go and rate movies. You can add your friends as followers, you can leave reviews. Is it like Rotten Tomatoes?

SPEAKER_02: 37:29

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 37:30

Basically, I can tell you how many movies I watched this year based on it. So you can track your movies, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 37:36

I'm about to say, guess.

SPEAKER_03: 37:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 37:39

I was also who does that? You you watch a lot of movies. That's not I want you to know you're far off. Alright.

SPEAKER_03: 37:46

I'm gonna say 120. I'm gonna say 50. You can have another guess for you. Alright. She said who does it? 240. Well, shout out to Cherie. 126. Ah! Very close. Are these movies included and that you had to watch for school too?

SPEAKER_01: 38:01

Some, but most of them are on my that's on my own. But so sorry, I I barged into this book thing talking about letterbox.

SPEAKER_03: 38:09

It is like that though. It is like it has like a letterbox wrap.

SPEAKER_01: 38:14

So you'll I'll see. It'll probably tell you what actor you watch the most, what director.

SPEAKER_03: 38:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 38:19

Stuff like that's cool.

SPEAKER_03: 38:21

Like favorite genre. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's like good reads.

SPEAKER_02: 38:25

Speaking of genre, I did read a book though. Well, book, oh my gosh. I love it.

SPEAKER_03: 38:30

I don't like who do I I mean just for people listening, I do read. Yes. Yes, that's why I would like to do it. I do because I do a lot of writing, so I have to read a lot of scripts. Of course.

SPEAKER_01: 38:42

So books are different, but when I do read, it's mainly about film. One book I I skimmed through, but I want to start over. It's called Directing Actors. It's basically the correct way to engage and speak with them because there's a certain way to do it instead of just saying do it like this, do it like this. Yeah. And we need to treat them as human beings. Of course. You know, that's what they are. Yeah, yeah. Uh literally.

SPEAKER_03: 39:09

But you also told me about passing. Sorry. I know it's not like film, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 39:16

Because that there was an adaptation. Yeah. My friend Christopher. Um we read passing. Um Christina. Christina's Christina's not here. That's another movie. Do you guys not know that?

SPEAKER_02: 39:27

No.

SPEAKER_01: 39:28

It's okay, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 39:30

I I actually haven't seen that movie though.

SPEAKER_01: 39:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 39:32

I did okay, so I read Diary of a of a mad black woman.

SPEAKER_03: 39:35

Oh, I don't think I've been. I love that movie. That's another one.

SPEAKER_01: 39:39

Kimberly Elise says it. She's at the table.

SPEAKER_03: 39:42

There's a Christina in there? Christina? No.

SPEAKER_01: 39:45

You'll we'll have to send you the video.

SPEAKER_03: 39:46

Please do. So I did seventy five hard, and with that you had to read. Um you did? I did. Isn't that clear? So there's a reading version? No, it's included in the Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. Yeah, there were many books I read. I read Kamala Harris's book, Um, 107 Days. Okay. I read Notes on Directing. But the first one I read was Stony the Road, Reconstruction, White Supremacy, and the Rise of Jim Crow by Henry Lewis Gates Jr. And he's the man who I don't know if you've ever seen these clips online where he has like this TV show and he has celebrities and he tells them about their DNA.

SPEAKER_01: 40:25

And that he tells them history.

SPEAKER_03: 40:27

So it's that's that's the author and it's pretty cool, Sherry. Like they find out like at the table that like they're related to like royalty or like this, they've never like done an in-depth DNA study like they did with him. Gosh.

SPEAKER_02: 40:40

I just want to throw in that I saw a commercial for ancestry tests for your dogs. Yes, people do that. Like for the for the Christmas season. Oh, I didn't even realize that was the thing that people would send to the show.

SPEAKER_03: 40:52

People test their dog's DNA. Because everyone's like, oh, we have a mutt. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 40:56

Because they don't know if they get them from the pound or something. Or their body.

SPEAKER_02: 41:01

They don't know the breeds. That might be the way they were like presenting it.

SPEAKER_03: 41:05

It was more like, like, understand the breakdown. Like well, some people do that for like health reasons too, like for like the same for humans. Um, one of my co-workers described one of her other dogs that she had, her first dog passed away. So this dog that passed away. I was like, oh, what kind of dog was it? Or whatever. She's like, oh, he was a mutt. She's like, it was a result of a neighborhood scuffle. That's how the dog came to be.

SPEAKER_00: 41:30

Interesting. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 41:31

Yeah. Um, but yes, I just got into fantasy. So I have read the first book of the Avatar series. And I also am reading Throne of Glass, the first book. We read I've read a few books. I'm in a book club at work. Mine and True's book club. So I've read two fantasy books with that.

SPEAKER_02: 41:51

But how long have you been in the book club at work?

SPEAKER_03: 41:56

Um since the summer, maybe. Because we've read The Aights. We've read When a Sorceress Comes to Call, which is a fantasy one, which is really good. It's by TK Fisher. Um what else? You know we can hear that, right? Am I tapping? Yeah, I feel like I tell you this every episode. And then I have to edit it.

SPEAKER_01: 42:22

One time when I was listening, I thought we could hear Tawana was clapping, but I think she was like wiping something off of her hands.

SPEAKER_03: 42:29

She was probably wrapping up her Wawa Hoagie. I said, We can hear that. We can hear you eating your chips. Like the microphone.

SPEAKER_01: 42:38

Oh, okay. But I was like, no, that wasn't it.

SPEAKER_02: 42:41

That's one of my favorite things about listening to your podcast, just hearing you guys argue like sisters. Uh-huh. Because I mean, yeah, you'll do that in company, but I guess it depends on the company. And so it's just funny to hear you guys like take on that tone with each other because I just don't hear it often and like hear you guys go back and forth.

SPEAKER_03: 42:57

We're on our best behavior in front of in front of the case.

SPEAKER_01: 43:00

And Tawana, I did mention that in an earlier episode that I listened to. I agreed with I think with Cherie that it was a summer wedding.

SPEAKER_03: 43:08

Thank you. No. And I texted her when you told me that immediately I was like, Taylor agreed, so that's a wrap. It was September 14th, and fall starts September 23rd. So it was so it's a summer wedding. Yeah. It was not common.

SPEAKER_01: 43:30

Because you know what? Both of you are correct.

SPEAKER_03: 43:32

Thank you. According to the calendar.

SPEAKER_01: 43:35

Because but according to how you guys are even talking about it, like, yes, according to the calendar, it was it was summer, but yes, according to the vibes, we are switching into autumn.

SPEAKER_03: 43:45

We know that's almost that's the feel, but yeah, we were in summer. I think both of you are actually correct. I mean, we can all agree that it was like the best wedding ever. Like it was hot outside, which is summer. It wasn't that hot. Like it wasn't that hot. Taylor, so that's the only wedding I've been to. Yeah, it was my third. Someone else's wedding. That's crazy. But it was so fun another time. Well, I wanted the 21st, and it would have been fall, but that's still like. Yeah, I think it depends. But they have like an annual wine festival every year, so it's like fine, we'll just take the weekend before, and it will still be a fall wedding. Fine. Yeah, so it was fun. Love the playlists. That was the best. Yeah, the DJing was great. People were having a great time. It was really Daisy.

SPEAKER_02: 44:40

It was really good. Yeah, yeah. I I don't know why I was surprised, but when I turned back to see Cherie walking down the aisle, like I was getting emotional and tearing up. And I mean it was just such a wave of emotion.

SPEAKER_03: 45:01

Yeah. And look at anybody. Yeah. And also trying to make sure nobody tripped because my mom like stepped off the side and I was like, Are you okay? Like, please do not fall.

SPEAKER_01: 45:13

And I made sure that I tried to get them to sit in the right seats.

SPEAKER_03: 45:16

You did. You dice, you dice did good. And also purposely did not prepare a made-of-totter speech. I was like, I'm just gonna go with it. Larry's like, you should prepare something. I said, I will do no such thing. It was just like my avoiding tactic. I was like, do you like to do that? But um what is it? I think it's because I didn't want to accept the fact that I had to do it. I mean, like, obviously I did because she's my sister. But I don't know, I'm like, don't love speaking in person all the time, but I was like, obviously I have to do it. So I just let the words flow and started blubbering and crying, and here we are a year later. And some change. It did. I was like, uh that was fun. It was fun.

SPEAKER_02: 46:02

But I've been to I've been to a couple weddings. I'd say like four, but it's just funny because but two of them I ended up just either going with my mom or my dad because the other person couldn't go and they knew that I wanted to go to a wedding. Yeah. I I didn't really know them that well, but I was just there.

SPEAKER_01: 46:20

I did say no to a wedding and I actually feel I Is it recent? It was a few no because the wife passed away recently, actually. Um I couldn't say names on here, but the coach's wife. Oh their wedding was in like their backyard.

SPEAKER_03: 46:36

And apparently she's related I looked at Blair's Facebook. And apparently she's related to Am I allowed to say names, or do we have to bleep them out or something?

SPEAKER_01: 46:47

It's up to one of my camp counselors.

SPEAKER_03: 46:49

Okay, great. Yeah, let's go with that.

SPEAKER_01: 46:52

Her name starts with a C. C B. Gotta I said, what the heck?

SPEAKER_03: 46:59

And what relation of this wedding.

SPEAKER_01: 47:02

Yeah, I think it's a cousin. Because Blair said she's like, that woman looks familiar.

SPEAKER_03: 47:07

Was she close? I didn't see anything after she passed.

SPEAKER_01: 47:09

Blair said it was put on her Facebook.

SPEAKER_03: 47:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 47:13

Or when she went to the wedding, she put up a picture of the Got it.

SPEAKER_03: 47:17

And so that's what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_01: 47:19

Because I was like, I don't wanna if I want to go to a backyard wedding. But apparently it was like on a lake. And it's not bad. I was just saying, I just and I also didn't know them. And so I was like, why would I do this? But apparently it was really nice.

SPEAKER_03: 47:33

And but no, it was actually she was very she was really, really nice, and um it was actually really sad. Um her bad Was she sick?

SPEAKER_01: 47:45

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 47:46

And she and both of them were supposed to come to our graduation party and they didn't because she passed away like the week before or something like that. Yeah. That's rough. We heard so many, so much devastating news. Learning people had like cancer and all this stuff, and someone passing away after our party. We did learn some both of the people who said they had cancer are now cancer free. Good. That's good. Wait, Peyton, I want to hear about the books you've read in the book club. What books, guys?

SPEAKER_02: 48:21

Alright. So the book well, we read The Madwife in Book Club. Okay, okay. I would say my favorite book that we've read. My favorite book that we've read in the club, it was a book called Sunburn by Chloe Michelle Howarth. Okay. And I'm pretty sure this was a debut novel, and it takes place in the early 90s in Ireland. Okay. And it's about it's about these two girls who are in the same friend group in high school, and they just develop an infatuation with each other, and then eventually a romance, and it's about them just like exploring what that could mean for the two of them in a very conservative area, like growing up in conservative families, and it was just so beautiful. Like this is one of my favorite books ever. I just remember you telling me about this. I'm like, I've told so many people about this. Like I've never seen or I've never seen in a movie or a show or read in a book love written so like passionately and intensely and vividly. And this was in high school. I was like, like it took me because at first I was thinking to myself, wow, like I was not feeling emotions that strongly at that age, but then I was I've never felt emotions a strong, period. But it's that reminds me so good of one that I wrote that I like too.

SPEAKER_03: 49:38

It's my favorite. It's called Slow Dance. Slow Dance by Rainbow Roswell.

SPEAKER_02: 49:43

Mm-hmm. It's really good.

SPEAKER_03: 49:47

Sure, I'm trying to remember.

SPEAKER_02: 49:48

I was like, I do hate to put you on the spot because I hate when you're not.

SPEAKER_03: 49:50

No, no, no. I'm trying to remember. High school as well. They were friends, like obviously it was there. They just like never acknowledged it. He went off to I think the Navy, I believe, and Nebraska, like small town. She married, I think, like a town boy. They had kids. I think they got div yeah, they got divorced, and they were sharing custody, and then I think he, the Navy guy, was back in town because he was like home for something, and they like ran into each other at a friend's wedding, speaking of weddings, and they like reconnected, and then they eventually like ended up together. But it's like, and one of the people that they saw, like when they were all together, is like it was the three of them, so it was her, the guy, and then like their best friend, like all three of them, two guys and a girl. And the best friend was just like finally, it's just like you there was it was always there, so he was like happy that they were like finally together. So that was good. I don't think they ended up having kids together, but he like was more than happy to like welcome her kids like into his life and everything. But it was just like so passionately about love too, because it was younger, but then it's like they fell apart obviously because life took them different ways, yes, and they came back together, and it was just like finally all that tension is gone.

SPEAKER_02: 51:08

I love a second chance romance.

SPEAKER_03: 51:09

It was just it's one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_02: 51:12

I also forgot to say with Sunburn, another big part of the plot is that for the there's um a specific like one of the girls, she's the main character. In the book, it's basically written like her diary.

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Mm-hmm.

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There's the she has a best friend who she's grown up with, this boy. Okay, and like all of her life, like everyone around them, they live in a small town, everyone around them has always basically been telling them that they're gonna end up together. Yeah. They're like, oh like when is it gonna happen? Even when they were little. So she's like coming to terms with who she is, but also realizing the fact that like he's developing feelings for her. He's the popular guy, everyone likes him, and she's like, Maybe this just is the right choice for me. So it's her like figuring out if she's it's also like quite religious too. So it's her trying to like come into herself and accept herself, and I guess like figure out if she really feels nothing for this like boy that everyone's trying to like put her with, or if just a lot of questions and it makes it more heartbreaking sometimes. But is there a specific genre that you gravitate toward?

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I like fantasy now, but I also like good thrillers. I read Flicker in the Dark by Stacey Willingham, and I was obsessed. And then I read another one of her books, Only If You're Lucky, and then I'm gonna read Forget Me Not soon. It's really it was really good. And then another book that I like was The Light That We Lost, and it's another love story, and then the sequel to that is The Love That Love That We Found. I'm just like, you've heard of it? So those are really good. Do you do audiobooks so you can like listen in the car on your way to work? So I do read. I do all of them. So I've been like living on thrift books, and I've been ordering so many books. Um, I feel like I have an addiction to books, but whatever. I do love audio as well.

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That's a good one to have for the car ride.

SPEAKER_03: 53:06

I know, right? And then I also Sheree got me into Kendall, so I do like e-reading too. I got a Kendall last year.

SPEAKER_01: 53:14

I can't I cannot jump into this conversation as much as you guys because I have books and I get them just like you guys gave me books for Christmas. But the way that I go through them, it's it's in terms of helping me with like screenwriting and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03: 53:28

So you don't have to read all the way through. You go to certain sections for whatever like to help you for.

SPEAKER_01: 53:34

Yeah. But I do want to read that one of you send me of I got a book of Ibsen's plays. Okay. Ibsen is the one who wrote HEDA, the film I was just talking about earlier.

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Okay.

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And there are four of his four of his plays in a book, and so I want to read that too.

SPEAKER_02: 53:49

I love that. Right now in the book club, we're reading a book called Wait, let me make sure. I say this right. It's all the black girls are activists. And it's pretty short as well. So it'd be oh yeah. It's about 150 pages. And this is actually the first book I'm listening to on audiobook because I prefer to read. Like I prefer to see it. And I prefer to co-worker book also.

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I have a coworker that's like that that's traditional, like physical book in hand. She doesn't do audiobooks. Yeah. She doesn't like e-reading.

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It also helps me like pay attention. Yes. It's easy to lose me if I'm only listening. I that's fair. But that's fair. It talks a lot about or it focuses on how like black women choosing to live their lives for themselves and not necessarily from a place of resistance. It should be considered activism. And how that's revolutionary, and how I guess like a new wave of feminism is coming into the picture in recent years, and yeah, just ways that we can reimagine our futures. And I think this book really came at a good time for me. Um I love that. As I'm just like building my life, you know. And I think it's a great book for everyone to read, but especially women, and especially black women. Yeah. So I think everyone should check it out.

SPEAKER_03: 55:07

I'm in I'm about halfway through. I like that.

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I love that for you.

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Um, the other book that we read in our book club, the Turn the Page book club, is This Is How It Always Is. Have you guys heard of that book? I don't think so. So it's about a family, it's five boys. So she doesn't have any girls, five boys. And the last kid, the youngest, she was really hoping it was a girl, and she got really sad like when they found out that it wasn't, blah blah blah. So he he's born, his name is Claude. They have like the weirdest names. They're like named after stars and like constellations. And then when he was five, he wanted to become Poppy. So he wanted to become a girl. So Oh, okay.

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I thought that was a good one. I just wanted to say like Claude.

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Yeah. So he started identifying more with like the girl side, and he would like wear dresses to school and like all that stuff. And then this was in the I w I forgot what year. But it was set in Wisconsin, maybe. And then like she's a nurse or a doctor. Her husband, people say he doesn't work, but he's a writer, so he like works on like his next greatest novel. So like he essentially is like a stay-at-home dad because he works from home. Then they talk about like it's really progressive. They talk about like hormone replacement therapy and like how it works, and I'm like, I didn't know how any of it worked, and how it like blocks certain like messages in your brain, and like how if you want to do it, it's better to start younger versus like when you're older, and like it was interesting. Then they moved across the country to Seattle because um it was turning out like not to be the best environment for little Claude now, Poppy. So they moved there and they found like a family base there, and then she got like um traveling doctor's job and took Poppy with her to Thailand, and they spent like a c like many, many weeks there, and apparently it's like a thing over there where like um men are wanting like become women, but it's like not as like controversial as it is over here. So like Claude, well he was she was Poppy over there, like really fit in and really resonated over there. She taught little poppy taught like little Thai children like English and stuff while mom worked during the day. Did this book come out recently? I'm not sure, but I've seen it like come up on lists and stuff for the past couple years. Um yeah, it was good. It was hard to get through like audio. Well, I was Kindle reading it and I was like, this is kinda slow. I did audio. I don't l love the narrator, but I would say 85% through wasn't my favorite, but the last 15% was good.

SPEAKER_00: 57:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 57:47

Sometimes it's just like that. And like if you don't have a good narrator and audio, I just like you lose me. Like when Peyton's just like you just lose me sometimes. Yeah. But what fantasy books have you read, Peyton?

SPEAKER_02: 57:59

Well let that be a question to both of us. Sure. I'm gonna think back. Honestly, let me look in my bookcase for someone.

SPEAKER_03: 58:06

Taylor, do you read fantasy?

SPEAKER_01: 58:08

I don't read fantasy.

SPEAKER_03: 58:09

I really don't. I used to be like you, and then I gave it a try.

SPEAKER_01: 58:15

But m with me it's more films anyway, and like going into different genres.

SPEAKER_03: 58:20

Oh, like for the purpose of screenwriting.

SPEAKER_01: 58:23

Yeah. I had to get into I had to like like for some classes we did have to watch films, and that meant I had to watch some horror films. Okay. And I just watched a horror film today.

SPEAKER_03: 58:35

How do you feel about book adaptations? I'm saying right into films. Just in general? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 58:42

I think it's happening too often now. In general, I do like them, but I want there to be more original stories.

SPEAKER_01: 58:48

Yes, there's a saturation of adaptations in film and and television. Because we talk about it a lot and how um yeah, we talk about like because Sinners is is original that came out this year. What's not an adaptation? Adaptation is, you know, the second film of a franchise or from a comic book, a book, real life events.

SPEAKER_03: 59:10

So I watched Twin Peaks. Okay. I feel like I've heard of that. Which there's also it I think it's the prequel to the television show. So that's an adaptation. And so there's not a lot of like original IP is what people talk about. Okay. So what is it called when people make movies from the book?

SPEAKER_01: 59:30

An adaptation.

SPEAKER_03: 59:32

Okay. So there's a so Payne, you were saying it's happening too often, and Taylor you're saying the saturation of it.

SPEAKER_01: 59:38

There yeah, it is a lot. It's a lot.

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Okay.

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It's it is a lot.

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I can't remember one that I've s Twilight, like from way back in the day. Speaking of fantasy. Yeah, but you've probably seen so many that are at the end of the day. I read the books, but then like I saw the film.

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You know, I never read those books. And also, our mom wouldn't let us or let me go see Twilight in theaters because I was too Young, but um by the time the second movie came along. I don't think I saw any of them in theaters, but I was at least watching them at home.

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Way back in the day.

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That's definitely not the last time you've seen an adaptation. No. I girl, I don't watch movies like that.

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Like you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:15

Well, what movies did you see this year?

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I mean, like Hunger Games was after.

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I am not into Hunger Games.

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I saw so many films.

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I saw the first movie and I did not read the books. I remember when Hunger Games was coming out because at school we went to the library and they like displayed it as the next new franchise. I remember.

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I think it was in like fifth grade when it started to become super popular and everyone was reading it. It's a form of fantasy.

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I don't know what year it was.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:46

It should be like science fiction. Because it it's futuristic. Yeah, I don't know if it'd be fantasy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:52

Another good book that I think maybe not Taylor right now, because you're doing stuff for screenwriting. But Peyton, you might like this one. It's called it's a series, or not, I think it's only two books. It's called Blood and Rot or something. I'll send it to you. But my coworker told me about it. No, it's it's like fantasy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:08

I thought you were talking about something else.

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That's why it's fantasy, but it actually talks about the Haitian Civil War, which I didn't even know existed, she said. So they talk about that, and this boy does like he ends up going back through his family history and finds out that like a bunch of people and he comes from like a long line of like forget what they're called, but it's like special people who have like special powers and stuff. And he like had going through as well, he had no idea, and he's at a historically black college, but it's like made up, but it's like wait. Yeah.

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This is so similar to the book that I was about to bring up. It's called Legend Born. Okay. It's one of my favorite fantasies, also. Okay. This main character, she's a bit younger, she's probably 16, and she she's going to UNC for this like honors program. So it's like the real UNC. Yeah. Yeah. Like the real UNC. Basically, she's still mourning the recent death of her mother. Like her mom died in an accident. Um, and her mom went to UNC. Now she really wants to follow in her footsteps. And while she's at UNC, she basically discovers uh, I guess, this entire like society that's fighting against like monsters that can only be seen by people who have certain abilities. She also figures out that she has these abilities that she never knew about. And this specific s society is rooted in white supremacy also. So it's also tying to how she's like going down to the south. And she also starts to suspect that that society had something to do with her mother's death and that it wasn't just an accident. So now she's trying to like with the assistance of like someone who's already pretty like locked into this society, she's trying to uh get inside, figure out some clues, and like figure out the mystery around her mom's death. But this got me back into got me back into reading. That was my I read it during my first year of college. I love that. Yeah, it had been like I read that book in five days. It's like five hundred pages. It's a a thick one. But that one's is getting an adaptation, which I'm I am happy about. Okay. Do you know who's doing it? I don't remember, and I'm not sure if it'll be I think it'll be a TV show and not a movie. Okay. Yeah. I don't remember that one, but I really recommend that if you're trying to get into fantasy too.

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Yeah, no, I've been reading, like I said, the first book of the Avatar series. I'm reading Throne of Glass now. I read Something Society of Witches for one of our book clubs, and then When a Sorcerer Calls. What's another one? Just like random ones that like I find that are interesting. And then I like historical fiction. And then I wanted to learn about more about African history, so I ordered a few of those. I haven't picked anything up yet. The Shadow King, which I think is about like Ethiopia or something. But my hairstylist, um, I got her into Libby and stuff, and then she's told me she has like all these like holds and stuff about that. But then I w the another thriller that's a good one that Shuri told me about, that my other friend told me about that she also finished, is called Wrong Place, Wrong Time. And her son is supposed to be like home from school or something, he's like 18, and he like doesn't come home. And then mom looks out the window and sees him like punching this guy, and like essentially, like, he kills the guy, but then mom goes to sleep and wakes up and it's the day before. So, like every day she goes to sleep, she'll wake up and it's like she keeps going back in time, and um she's trying to figure out if she can like stop it from actually happening.

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So it's like it's an even stressful ground groundhog's day.

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I know. So the first one's yesterday, then it's like a few weeks, and eventually goes back to like years before, and eventually finds out that there's something back there in like her son's past that triggered the events that she like saw out the window. Because she like doesn't know who the guy is. Yeah, so I'm gonna read it because it sounds really good. But it's called Wrong Place, Wrong Time. It's by Jillian McAllister. She does a lot of like fantasy thriller books, like Gone Girl.

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I w I won't read that. I never watched the movie, but someone that's another thing, another adaptation.

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I think I read the book after I saw the movie. But I do Karen Slaughter is also a good mystery, like true crime.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:39

It's a really last name for that. Right?

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I wonder if if that's a real last name or sh- The person who wrote When a Sorcerer Comes to Call, I think her name's like TK Fisher. She wrote, you guys have probably heard Nettle and Bone. I think so. Fantasy. My coworker read it, she said it was great. There's another one she wrote called A Wizard's Wizard's Guide to Murder or something, but it's essentially it's like another fantasy book, and like the main character works at a bakery, and she has these powers where she can like talk to like the ingredients of like sourdough bread.

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It's really like a wizard's guide to defensive baking.

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There you go. I always say murder. Okay. Either or she like has the ability to like talk to like the ingredients of like sourdough bread and like she like forms. She reminds me of Ratatouille. Maybe. And she like forms this army and like intense. Yeah.

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It's she forms an army.

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With like the little sourdough man, yes.

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Yeah, it was like of the ingredients. Sourdough is so good.

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It really is. My coworker said it was hilarious.

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That sounds funny.

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But T Day TK Fisher writes a lot of young adult books, which are pretty like I think part of series, but like the adult ones are just like one book, which is great. Because I know fantasy, you get into that, it's like the Aquitar series is like five books, Throne of Glass is seven books, but I love a series where it's like one to three.

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I've I've only read one duology, which I really I respected because it's yeah, it's always one book or it's three plus. And like you're left w wanting more, but at the same time, there's less room for error if you just keep it short and sweet where it should be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:31

That's a good point. That's a good point. Because it's a lot of world building, depending on like what the series is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:38

I had a world building class. Did you? Did you enjoy it? I did. It was an elective I could have I I chose to do.

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Nice. By the way, people, you know, who are in film do read books. I just need to do better. Well, you said, you know, Taylor, you know, with the film stuff, but there, I mean, in my cohort.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:00

Um a lot of people in my cohort do like there's this one girl, she does read a lot. I'm like, she brings books to class and it really That's surprising. Thanks for a lot because I would be my head would be so bad because I'm like, we're about to go into a two-hour, 40-minute class.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:14

I didn't mean it like that. I just meant that you're currently now with like your career path, you're reading because like for your job.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:20

Yeah, that's that's what I meant. Like, yeah people think like I because I'm mainly I read scripts, watch films. Yeah. A lot of people read scripts, watch films, and do read a lot of books.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:33

I feel like I just think that's a lot. It is mentally. I feel like you have no time to have like do anything else outside of that. True. But I'm excited to read more scripts because it's award season, then that's when a lot of them come out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:46

The center script came out. I need to read that HEDA.

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I do have to watch HEDE. I want to watch that.

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It's all Prime Video.

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Nice. I'm adding that to my Well Why are you laughing?

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It was just funny.

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Okay, but I'm gonna I'm adding that to my list because I'm watching Loot, the show with Maya Rudolph on Apple TV. I haven't watched TV in like a year. I think you'd enjoy that. It's a comedy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:09

What kind of TV shows do you like to watch? I haven't watched TV in like a year, Taylor. But you don't have a favorite genre? I mean Like is it the same as books? No, I don't like You would watch crime in and detective stuff, right? Thank you. Yes. I used to watch ID. I loved it. I used to watch Scandal, How to Get Away with Murder, The Game King.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:30

That's how I got onto that show because of you. I know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:33

And it was at my graduation. You guys watched some episodes at the hotel. It was so hot. Hot is not even the word it was. Which graduation? The college, Coastal Carolina.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:43

Yeah. Because we also went to go get hibachi.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:46

Yes.

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I don't really remember that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:48

And then your dad found a golf course. He always will. I do golf now. I heard. That's amazing. Do you golf in Cali? I have done that. Yes. Probably better weather, I'm sure. I want to do it a bit more. Actually, currently it's pouring rain. I heard. I keep seeing on the news. And it makes me happy that you and Blair aren't there right now. Yeah, because I saw a video of like someone took a video in uh like a local parking garage that I know, and it's like filled. That's called mud slides. Where you are based? Yes, the galleria. It was at the galleria. Wait, is your like not far from Amal? Oh. Has your apartment been affected? No, I didn't get any text messages or emails. Okay. Good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:37

And I'm on the top floor. So the only thing I would have to worry about is if water came in, but that's not usually an issue. Like from the ceiling. That's not usually an issue.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:47

Do you park in a garage? I am in the parking garage, so my car is there. So we'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:53

I still haven't gotten any updates from that. So we'll email them. But they did want to let us know that they will be out of the office if we don't call them. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:05

Well, if they do, you'll go to like the emergency line sort of thing. Right, which I'm sure they could help more than. But you can't stop by. Yeah. Yeah. Well, ladies, this has been that rain, we're getting our snow. Are you guys getting any snow? Not right now. We got a couple weeks ago. Two weeks. But you're not going to be affected by this storm right now. I think we're getting like sleep, but it's also going to be like in the 30s tomorrow, so it's not going to do anything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:31

Yeah.

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It's not going to do anything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:33

But we traveled to New York tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:35

You do your annual day after Christmas. Yes. Not always day after Christmas, but you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:41

Because one time we went the day before New Year's Eve. Yeah, that was pretty good. And that's a lot of this cover.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:48

That would make me not want to go back. They everything was set up. The stages were set up for, you know, the next day.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:54

Um we saw like Ryan Seacrest, or who had to go with him, yeah. They were rehearsing. But but you know, New York actual New Yorkers would stay away from Times Square at any time of the year, especially that time.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:07

I've heard that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:08

But now it's it's switched up because we would go to Times Square, but now we go to see something on Broadway. Nice. And then we go see something on Broadway.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:16

What are you seeing tomorrow?

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:17

Death Becomes Her. Death Becomes Her.

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I feel like I've heard that.

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It's also a film, so this is an adaptation.

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And I've I've never seen the film actually, but I will watch after.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:26

Are you gonna have your Spidey senses on Taylor like picking apart the adaptation?

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:31

No, not with that one. Okay, not with that one. I'm not an adaptation person because in school that's not what we did, you know? It wasn't always original stuff that we can do anyway. Yeah. But we did have two adaptation classes. And we talked about how you get the rights for that. Like when you I chose the bluest eye, and I said that I would make it into like a limited series.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:52

Ooh, I love a limited series.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:53

But this is just for class. I wouldn't touch Tony Morrison. Yes.

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No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:57

That is too. I mean, but now that you're saying it, I would love to see that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:01

Speaking of limited series. It's not public domain though. Did you guys have you read Little Flowers Everywhere? No, but we watched the show. So good. Yes. I read the book and watched the show during COVID. Yeah. So good. Carrie watched it. Did you read the book after or before? I listened to it. I did the book first, because then the series came out after I read the book. But they're so good together.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:25

I want to start listening to some audiobooks.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:28

I'll send you all the recommendations, Taylor.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:30

Okay. Because I think books, like I get tired, like I said, just reading things off of a paper book. No, that makes sense off of a screen. Um Yeah, I and I'd rather I just don't want my eyes to do more work.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:43

This is what you should know.

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That's how I feel with the screen.

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Get a good read. Find your sisters and your cousins. We're on there. Are you looking to get a letter box? No. I don't watch movies like that, girl. I don't have time. True. That is very true. But also go back in our old newsletters, mine and Cherie's, and look at all our book recommendations. They are mostly Cherie's. I'll give it to her because she reads so much. I'm catching up finally. But she always has such good book recommendations. I've added a few. I'd like to chew my horns. It's an app I can get right now. Yeah. Goodreads? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:18

It is owned by it is frustrating. Yeah, I was about to say.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:21

It's owned by Amazon.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:23

Oh, another option is StoryGraph. Yes, and Black Owned, Black Woman Owned. I have an account. I just haven't gotten into it because I don't love the front end design. Which is you know, it's in like the early years, I'm assuming. So I'm like hoping that it progresses more. I know. I like Goodreads. You can do that and Story Graph and then pick which one you want to do.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:46

And then so, Taylor, if you start adding stuff to Goodreads, and if you go to um Story Graph, you can export your books from Goodreads to there. Love that. Um, because people keep track of their books differently. Like my coworker has her own spreadsheet that she uses because she loves it. She has so many, she's read so many, she's a quick reader. I recently just got a book tracking journal. I want to start keeping track manually um in 2026. So I can carry it with me and be like, oh blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:25

But put yours in so I can find you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:27

But also, our newsletters have really good book recommendations that people have gotten like recommendations from and stuff. Oh, okay. The past one, so just go through those and then I like cute romance ones sometimes. Like if I want like a break. Me too. Yeah, that is a really great break.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:46

I'm actually I'll have read three like I don't know if heavy is the right word, but um just non-fiction books that are difficult to push through. A bit heavy emotionally, but yes, so yes. Yeah, just doing like three back to back is hard for me. I know, that's a lot. I I like to break it up with something like a romance or I I'm I'm gonna break it up with a science fiction book, which will still be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:13

I'm not in not into science fiction, but the people who are into it say that it's like a good genre.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:18

I haven't dabbled in it. I'm reading the sequel to Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler. Because I finally read the first one at Okay. Wow, I think it was the start of this year. Which is crazy. This year felt Girl. This year really felt so long.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:34

Girl.

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But it also felt like it went by quick.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:38

But a good romance reader, I'll send it to you, Jasmine Gilroy. Shiri recommended so many of her books to me. The wedding guest is a cute one. I'm reading one now, Drunk on Love. It's um about it's Napa Valley, but it's black people, so it's like, whoa, what? And like, um brother and sister own a winery, and the main characters love interests. They met at a bar, and then he came to her job the next day because he ends up like having a job there, so essentially he slept with his boss before knowing that that was gonna be his boss. But it's a cute light one.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:17

I had to find you on a good reads toy. I know Jasmine. Heard of s I've seen a lot of books from her.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:22

Yes. Let me find it, Taylor.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:24

Hold on. And while you're looking, I'll also put another plug-in for Kennedy Ryan. I love her book Before I Let Go.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:33

Yeah, girl, I've had that on hold and I kept suspending it because I didn't have a chance to read it. But Joca Ray also said like she likes Kennedy Ryan as well.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:41

You've gotta read that. I won't lie, I didn't like the following two books in that series, but I absolutely love it. Hold on till which is the first And this was actually a point of discussion in my book club because two or one person in particular actually like hated that book. Maybe that's a strong word, but no one was really like enjoying it like I was. Like I was really advocating for it. And it w it was just like another, you know, like average at best book for them. But where am I?

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:12

Oh, also Peyton, you might like this one. I have I'm gonna be reading it soon. The Island of Missing Trees.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:18

Well, look it up. I haven't heard of that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:20

Okay, my name on Goodreads is it just looks like it's Tawana page. Island of Missing Trees. But also you can go through Peyton or Blair or Cherie, and I'm friends with them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:33

Okay, true, true, true.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:34

But ladies, this has been so much fun.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:36

This has been lovely.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:38

We should do it again at some point. We will have like a part two, we can talk about anything you guys want to talk about, but this is so fun.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:46

Yeah. We should try to get all five of us sometime. The two of them will be out together. We could do it to the four of you guys.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:54

What are you talking about? You can join in like this. That too. I was like, yes, we'll do the five. You meant like Blair and I, like physically together. Yeah, but that that is true.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:05

I thought you just meant on one show. Three different or I guess four different devices calling.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:11

Yeah, so what is this all about? How you wanted Blair um individually on some shows and then we get grouped together.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:17

Are we not interesting apart, ladies? I love you all three equally. So So can I finish? So Blair did the birthday one with me because we have the same birthday month. We did a birthday episode, and I think that's about it. No, she was on my she was on mine tea time like a couple like years ago. But you guys can come on individually.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:39

I mean, we specifically wanted to do this one. We wanted Blair on here, but obviously she said that she can't. But we wanted to do this because we're like great, we have all five different signs we can talk about from all five perspectives because we were trying to get all the signs on here. So we crossed a bunch off of our list. But you guys can come individually. I would love to talk to Taylor more about um film and stuff because I don't know much about. And then Peyton, I would love to talk to you more about like the books that you've been reading and how you're tying it into like your real life.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:06

Yeah, let's do it. That'll be fun.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:09

Yeah. So we can do that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:11

And this is my first time being a guest on a podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:14

I mean, if anything. Your cousin's podcast. We haven't been invited on Blair's yet. Neither have I. Cherie has, because she was out there. I feel like she's brought it up. True, true. But we are using her microphone. But ladies, I love you and miss you so so much.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:31

This has been lovely.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:33

It really has. I will send book recommendations back. Taylor, go through the past newsletters, scour all the books that we've kept track of on Goodreads.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:42

Okay. And I just followed you. Thank you. Nice. So we'll see. And then obviously no profile uh fix profile picture.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:50

Then if you were looking for more physical books, you can try thrift books. Okay. They have really good deals, and you can get I've gotten a bunch of like free book rewards from like spending a certain amount. But people sell their used people sell their old books on there, so it's essentially it's like a thrift store for books.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:09

Gotcha. I'll check that out.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:11

Shipping is shipping. You have no problem like getting free shipping because you could order like a few books, but the time the delivery is like touch or go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:21

But twice it's happened to me where they've sent me the same book, the same order twice. But you can sell it back to them. They won't just take it back. I mean you can sell it back to make money. Like I could return it and get my money back, but you can also sell it back to them to like make money.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:39

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:40

Because that's what it is. But I might just return it because I tried scanning it the other day, and it's like we already have enough of these copies, we don't need any more. I'm like, well, you sent me double, but okay. I might just return just to get my money back.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:53

Yeah. Because they said we have enough copies. Yes, they did.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:58

But then also you can return it and get like store credit and get like a gift card for there, or just get your money back on your card.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:06

Yeah, I do love that. I was walking through Barnes and Noble the other day and I love a bookstore. I mean it was nice because I didn't go in with the plan of buying anything. Yeah. But books are just so expensive.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:17

That yeah, that's why I asked for some for Christmas. And I got a Barnes and Noble gift card as well.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:24

No, that's really good. Amazon has good books, I know. Good reads, whatever Jeff Bezos, but Amazon has good prices and thrift books too, Taylor. You can plug into that too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:34

Because mom has the Audible, and so sometimes I'll use her.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:38

Yeah, I don't use the Audible. I kinda refuse to pay for books that I listen to, so I just use Libby, which is free.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:44

I mean, I have Spotify. Through the library. So books on Spotify.

unknown: 1:22:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:49

Yes, that too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:51

Two things. Peyton, you said just invest it in a library card. Check to see. Is the library Mount Laurel one or the one where you live in Pennsylvania?

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:58

Mount Laurel. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:59

So see if Baltimore County through that. Okay, well, it's the same thing. Because if it's not the same thing as Libby, see if Baltimore County or that branch has Libby, because we do it through the branches down here. But Spotify, yes, Taylor.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:14

I listen with Spotify.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:16

You get it with the premium subscription and you only get 15 hours a month, which I say only.

unknown: 1:23:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:24

When you're in a book, when you're in a book and I already pay you to not give me ads, like I want more. And then when it's for a premium, why are you even limited? Girl. And then you know what they also try to do? When they they will end it, like SmackDab, they ended it for me in the middle of like I was in the middle of a book. They're like, Spotify has a has a message for you. And it was my my hours were up for the month. Like you can buy more. I'm like, I most certainly will not be buying more.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:52

Wait, Spotify, they they put a cap on how much you can listen to?

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:57

15 hours for premium. You only get audiobooks through premium. I get premium. Oh, so do I. And it's fi you only get 15 hours a month.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:05

Why? So what's the point of having library cards? Everyone. Everyone listening. If you don't have them, go to your local library.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:12

Thank you. And it resets at your billing cycle.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:15

So each month, only 15 hours a lot.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:18

For audiobooks. So I switched between Spotify and pickup on Libby when it cuts me out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:24

What's the average duration of an audiobook though?

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:26

I guess it depends. So I listened to James in like three days, and that was only five hours. I think that was the first so far like my billing cycle I've listened to.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:34

One of the books I'm reading is 160 pages and it's five hours.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:39

Yeah, so it's short. But there's been books in there where have been like 12, 15 hours that I've had to like wait for the billing cycle to reset or pick it up on Libby. That's annoying. Which is good because Libby and Spotify will say they remember where you stopped off. So it picks back up.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:56

Also, I'm glad that you mentioned Scandal. Because I think it's time that I finally finished the show. I think I think that starts in the at the third or the fourth season. I I can't even remember why. Maybe it was just getting really extended too much. Probably with Huck. That's how I just took a break.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:15

I took a break with how to get away with murder, and then I think that's okay. Yeah. But Scandal, I started because we watched the pilot in one of my classes. I think it was my pilot class. And I said, I see why people are into this. And duh, Shonda Rhymes. And so I just finished it the last semester. So the whole time I was in school, grad school, I was watching Scandal.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:36

And did we start watching How to Get Away with Murder at the same time? Because yeah, I was watching it too quickly though. Like my pace was picking up so much that it was starting to creep into my dreams. And that's around the time when I actually just stopped watching. Because again, it was picking up and getting too intense. But yeah, I need to get back into both of those. And I'd be willing to start them over.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:00

I've binged many shows, like I did suits. Yeah, I tried to get into that. Blair kept telling me about I tried to get into the season though, but I couldn't get it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:09

I think I made it to like season two.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:10

Yeah. I guess.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:11

And they rebooted it this year and it wasn't it wasn't it. And that's like eleven seasons, right? I don't even know, actually.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:18

Something crazy. That's wild. Well, yes. Love talking about books.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:23

Yes. Our newsletter, Goodreads, and Story Graph. But I find Goodreads keeps track better. I don't know. We'll figure it out. But feel free to take a look into Letterboxed. Taylor. Just take just look at the app. I literally downloaded the Goodreads made an account and I follow you down. Yeah, that's fine. Like I don't have to look at the book.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:42

I know, you don't have to look at Letterboxed, I know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:44

I will look it up because I'm like, what is she talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:46

It's letterbox boxed is without the E.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:49

I thought you said litter box, like a cat. Letter. L-E-T-T-E-R-B-O-X-D. Letterboxed. Okay. It looks literally, it's just like this, but with film. That's basically what it is. It seems like. I'll check it out. Okay. I'll see if there's any films on there that I have watched. Every film is in there, girl. Well, there you go. I mean, they're all there. It's just I have to remember how you you logging it and stuff. I'll I guess I'll let you know what my rapt is. Yeah. Well, she can look at your account, right? Once she follows you. Send me your name. Okay. I won't say it here because now I realize now when you get into the industry, you shouldn't put your like name out there when you're reviewing things because people can then just look it up. So I'll text to you. Please do. Cool.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:36

Well, have a lovely night. I'm glad we could talk. Feels like it's been a minute the house.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:41

And we'll have to talk later to see if we can come down before if I can come down or Peyton and I before I go back.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:48

When do you go back?

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:52

Like 13th or something like that? January 13th.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:55

So there are some weekends and days available for me to do this and go down and see you guys. And then we will schedule individual recording time for the two of you. That should be good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:07

I enjoyed this very. I third that you did. And tell Cherie this was lovely. We missed her on the second half, but at least we got her for a bit. We got her for a bit. And tell the kids we said hi. I will. Alright, ladies. Love you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:25

And that we hope they enjoyed their Christmases.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:27

Yes. They do. Love you. Bye, love you. Bye. Love you. Love you. Alright, everyone. This was another episode of Turnpage Podcast. Thanks for hanging out. Don't forget to like, listen, and subscribe. And also don't forget to leave a review, please, and let us know what you thought about today's episode and all the other episodes. Thanks, guys. Talk to you soon. Bye.